Andrew Cohen in dialogue with Darío Salas Sommer (part 1)

[Music] after Salas theory or ideas about moral physics is you know it's fascinating because he's declaring that there these laws that exist in function on every level from from the gross physical of the highest level that consciousness anything they applied every level so they're absolute so morality doctor Salas defined I think as being one with nature one with truth with the way things are okay right so morality means being at one with nature with the one things are with natural laws it's true [Music] dr. cells can you can you please tell me what more what moral physics means what it is la physical what I'll present Laura so kicks it into nombre la Mettrie listen physics represents the relationship that man has with nature como las acciones el hombre y fujian Eleonora lesson and how they the actions that a person has have an influence within nature when you say nature what do you mean nature you mean the forest or or do you mean nature in a bigger way do you mean the biosphere or do you have it I think maybe you mean something else que sera furgoneta Lisa not renessa todo el antonio for you nature is everything that surrounds us everything total internally into the river the nature means you could say life yeah all of life like this okay that's it entonces en el hombre attraction sorrow trolley Benton : release so man interacts and has this constant feedback with nature y por ejemplo no sorrow no Solomon tamos energetic listen for example we feed ourselves energetically speaking from nature no sólo la salle event not only with the food that we eat sino que hacen I loved what boy hormone or SIL alone but also that every cell of our body is like an oscillator and thinner that has an antenna on it yes I see it Leonard here the rulers because it receives energy from the universe esto se notice acciones Oh muy importante de nosotros tenemos emotional negativo por ejemplo and our actions are very important because if we have negative emotions for example interfer Davos Professor Emeritus Aluna we interfere with the way our cells function you know I was a bowler a severe Leonard here harmonic chemistry though we won't be able to receive the harmonious energy that we need no can the universe has a musical tune to it autonomous legal vesicle it has basic musical turn guess a an infinitive we're assuming that's divided that divides up into infinite vibrations eva soler mrs. Adamo's dataview da stillness but uh aw but I live in a lot and we need these vibrations in order to be alive in order to feed our body wellness has he done thought of Sarafian thing and all living beings need these as well one though it Thomas Anu Novotny I'm gonna run you a lesson well we have good harmony with nature and with the universe not Rotella some live when our health is good senator said of Milan not earth are saluting Berlin man if our relationship is bad or health is also bad fellow kalamos Levitt release allah toma illa de Huelva equivalent amending everything the we care of nature takes it and gives it back to us an equivalent manner bussiness aerosol in relation to the well alguna forma algo Malo I mean even if we do something bad nature somehow gives us back something that's bad Universal feel something that's crazy make us suffer porque denton Guapo air center hoon cuerpo because the universe as a whole is a like a body yes Annelle a impossibru Oh III Mohito this is an idea that is attributed to our mystery megistus el Desierto purpose own micro como es equivalent AOC Villar al macrocosmos and he said that our body is a micro cosmos and it is similar or equivalent to the macrocosmic see no you don't we're not gonna get intent or not but what if there isn't good communication within our body though not a very logical seven to one Oliver biological system becomes damaged or perturbed II nostro Fernando parte de one pony or son and we are part of this universal body como si una vivo fuera una pequeña cellula let the word panniers it's as if we ourselves are a small cell of this whole body yes I ll a and that's moral law nobody believed in racing we can't get out of that know what I'm nice when I swim to the wellington silly moral has nothing to do with good intentions when you say moral than moral means therefore that because everything is part everything is connected to everything else which is connected to everything else and therefore when you what you mean by a moral law is the fact that everything is interrelated see right affect the other yes that's right but exemplo do you get what L is see universally I love you know even I say moral is for example if you're standing next to a cliff you don't puzzle I need to take a step forward I love you more you're gonna fall into there this is a model that's moral that wouldn't that would L know because it's a natural law the natural because it's a natural law yeah so when use the word morality you're not you're not talking you're not talking about a merely a man's notion of good and evil you're talking about the the recognition we would say scientifically and objectively and also intuitively spiritually of natural laws of the way the universe works it's like that's chuckling it was there la la la down yeah no Seraph a day I love manda mentals natural morals doesn't refer only to like the commandments porque lo Madhava the Sun opted at youth because the commandments were like optional Leverson alicia's Ilocano whom the person chooses if they want to fulfill the commandments or not they don't know Alexia but in natural morals there's no choice el Divo C Covino Paso alone t worry if he steps forward you'll die it's silly thing lol nebula uno I'll enter dead s o sempre dr. Cortes empty that's what natural moral is when you really understand this you always going to act correctly so so you're saying that when when an individual recognizes that that these natural laws exist and that if he or she lives in accordance with them he will be he will experience happiness he or she will experience happiness and other words the individual will see that that that these laws are objective facts or structures in the universe they're natural laws that and that if one want if one genuinely wants to be happy then one realizes one has to live according to these natural laws otherwise it's inevitable that one is going to experience unhappiness this is which is this the idea behind it see it's not like reflect oh that's the idea behind it but mucho my kids but it's much more than that okay it also Lola Felicia because in that case we're only talking about happiness mm-hmm pero yo verify take a so I'll exceed oh here I'm talking about success Alexa total total success no a pequeña legacy not just a small part of success I will exit the room later my you : success rate with capital letters yes in Fe de saber Cano Caminada ela futa leaders that means how you can walk through the paths of the universe so there's on the Penelope an Universal to know where you're gonna put your feet in the universe okay suppose her again I suppose what you can do what you cannot do but I can't blow delay one more time let's talk about a moral dilemma you know at Alice Alvin you're in the jungle yeah those are only conduct into fruit and there's two trees with different fruits oh no I'm a trustful ones yellow ones blue it does not even dilemma they work through the pony so you have this dilemma which one chelate pero según oh sorry key fruit Azul even know so Novikov elephant awesome but if you know the blue one is poisonous then you won't return entonces cuando las leyes de la fille sycamore al zein kono CEA's implemented seguro gal goon dia se hace mucho magnetic amino so when the the laws of moral physics are well known and I do believe that in the future and this will be more well known la persona 7 era de hacer cosas que sabe que la manna burger I am even the person will abstain from doing things that they know will damage them later on but him bro I personally would alarm al de loja my fault him for example some people like to speak badly but other people all the time pero cuando la maison al al de de las otras la Alessa toma esto era son la persona de prendre forza des prés no vibration Oh toss a super loud but when a person speaks bad about somebody else they're letting go with certain energy they're releasing a certain energy from their body and nature takes up this energy that they're releasing e como una moodle I can't ah the teddies and nature acts just like a wall when you're playing tennis gracias a la Volpe yeah well de Soto amplification against the wall and it bounces directly back to you but it comes back amplified in an idea and it punishes us pero no knock at ago do say no problemo nosotros te amo supposedly what ignorance 'i'm it's not the punishment of God we have punished ourselves out of ignorance yellow Gabor en todas NT Dogo ray so knows 11 Davos in Eau de abajo veinte vamos a falafel supposing this happens in every sense for example with food if we feed ourselves in adequately we're also going to suffer the consequences Oh c'est la vie Sega model a table resent a mystery a Content a pork a in Cabo Mito tengo que tomar decisiones moral physics is present in our life all the time because we have to take decisions all the time in total body mass stange interval hemos pantry right now you could say ok this is enough let's put an end to this interview yo puedo mente ESO te pasa pasa diferente the sea continuum and I'm sure that would have different consequences than if we continued total economy toes and we Kelly here in the repose water so we always have to choose from moment to moment between one thing and another thing if the DNA whenever not a simple cycle and this has a musical connotation to it nosotros llamo Harmonia if we radiate harmony Elena the realism of the well ammonia nature gives us back harmony Bruno Bonilla and Buchanan and yet also this harmony is amplified so what can it also con that Vigny rule if we're generous and giving money that's what I said a bit mother will be a so nature wanders back to her somehow see nosotros man dama olestra immoral I won't have in DC on how another son if we send our love as a blessing to someone ladder ELISA nos nos hormone nature also gives us it's love pero si o da Mo's emailed ASIMO a lien but if we hate him we curse someone fatale mente vamos a Priscilla de la mala consecuencias and Malone we will receive this negative consequences some point fatally [Music] so so in this in the moral physics though there in the laws of the interns of the structure the University of the way it works even even love or or pure positivity or the opposite of entropy this Negin trapeze is purely positive evolutionary impulse it can be also very dynamic what is no simple equation within a Mikoto I told Aaron again through Pei cares when you pull so positive on am us on another one iota Toria because what I'm interested in in the moral physics has to do for a human being the active dimension ok mean Teresa de la physique immoral a apart a que es como una dimension active over loja Manos because in the way you've been speaking about you've been using the word love but yeah thought about a morally almost and for example before you said that there's a law in the universe that you said you can't force anybody to change the boogaloos replay for so Nadia come yet and at the same time you speak about the you know about the the the the play between entropy and negentropy you know between these two forces so I'm saying the the the force of pure impersonal absolute love or the which is energy and intelligence they created the universe today ok la fuerza del amor absolute oh ok yeah you know it can in that love there's also a lot of its manifestation can also be very dynamic come in our field it has very very active person within a Meccano time Posse was you know mafia vienna people as as its as its as we were speaking before as its struggling against its own density to release itself poor Cataloochee Ando canto su propia den sida para poder liberar se c-- s probally por que todo lo que uma deska como una catastrophical algo negativo tenemos los opciones automata mom opposite EO anything yes probable because everything that happens it seems to be a catastrophe we can see in two ways we don't take it as something that is bad or we can drink it as something that is good no tomorrow positive event llama solution para contratar ESO para polo so de you are Dean if we take in something positive for going to struggle to be able to overcome it and but for example in the in the evolutionary developmental process even in the universe put him plug the process the veloute with enter the universe center right there there you know as as even even in the in the creation of new elements oh well thank you elemental knows stars had to explode did you get blowed out laughs three so Nexus right so they could so they so they would have to completely fall apart today new elements could be generated so they could come back together and become integrated in higher level tertiary Center Grasse la estrella para que algo pdsn integra-cell liver mas Alto so it seems that the whole this the whole developmental process hace que parece que todo ESO de ser rodeo right is inherent in that process is is conflict aqui dentro de su proceso de man attend a Texas Tech conflict oh of course the the ultimate nature of the conflict of course itself is harmony claro cannot release a final harmony and the pursuit of higher and higher levels and expressions in manifestation of that harmony yet concealed even is but inherent in the process is almost a constant state of conflict see if a thought the law google it was quite and what i'm interested in in relationship to moral physics has to do with the the paradox between these between these two opposites that that makes up this whole picture Victor Centro la physical moral a la parada de todo soap west okay Foreman parte de todo ho monitory follow us on social homelessness some about ants or anything so I didn't ease all paradoxes are only apparent apparently paradoxes okay yes sure yeah forget la de la casa on a new plateau muy Bao the concision you find paradoxes when you're dealing with a low level of consciousness for example if this had been blue this is a pendulum for example say Entropia yaki negentropy entropy negentropy okay Palacio tell me what's above this pendulum night panel oh there's no paradox mmm-hmm para para la casona contradiction mm-hmm same addiction I can throw yourself and there's no contradiction above the pendulum dos de perak emplo en la cama lon esto es el mundo de kata rocuronium this is the world of get there get there get there in the Kabbalah Kabalah yeah yeah you gave policy all right I love salute Oh above this we have that which is absolutely yes it does it will not no boy grad ordinance you know you saw the people what's a duty of a son look at this so you're writing what you say in the sense that you can't create order unless first you have disorder yeah but isn't that constant duh you hello ghost ante a little Duncan Phillips yes and throughout the whole universe yes in every moment it's so it's that as you were saying before it's that tension the tension which which which is which is Conte which is the nature of consciousness is nature whereas conscious when consciousness becomes life clerical TCA cycle guillotine vida you know this becomes you know enters into this whole creative process en todo este proceso creative oh it's it it's this it's the it's the tension between those two poles inattention interest of pull off of this obvious from this absolute position data transsexuality absoluta right and this end is in the struggle' in a lucha kupuna right this f this evolutionary struggle it's happening at all levels its eligibility worker corridor even see porque de boville idea yes because this principle of polarity service in Madrid Manila that is soon to follow it's only paying attention to the basilar Allah cilantro and remove Kayla Griselda pareja de la acción say man tiene cuando ellos tienen la suficiente attention this also happens with the relationship between a man and a woman the attraction has kept alive when there's enough distance between the two poles Silla Paulo's a-huntin we're supposed going together Sabrosa not definite ISA so they become depolarized Easter the middle of attraction and the attraction disappears mm-hmm how would that how I practically what would that mean yeah diamond of practical Casilla figure it's a bit early today pull out you're no longer interested in the other person like I understand that part okay no no but what I'm saying is is what is what would it mean what to keep the to keep the polarity versus versus the in the opposite of it and what does it mean to get too close yes I am si lo que significa Manton Ella polari de ESO no se puede dar al Akina Don pero por ejemplo Horrigan tus amigos quito el momento de has develop effective awesome you I can't give you general rule but it happens for example with your friends that you you're with them so much that it comes a time when you don't see their defects anymore but listen you help me with them so whether you don't see their defects that's right I thought if you're with people the more you're with people I thought you the more the bank's know vanill of effect on de la cual er defects that you don't see the qualities either who knows that or tempo boom because you're always with yourself yeah it is probably the football do you see your own defects that's much more difficult magazine entonces es cierto que la vida tiene que ver con esta no oposición der pollo a la lucha continúa in Reverse - life does have to do with this opposition of the polls and this continuous struggle [Music] the question is morality doctor Salas defined I think as being one with nature one with truth with the way things are he was defining it if this is the way it is if you step off the cliff you know gravity is going to pull you into the earth and you're going to die right so morality means being at one with nature with the one things are with natural laws it's truth that's that's what he me okay so so inherent though in being one with these natural laws the implication is and I agree with him of course is is is harmony being at one with the process right that's that's what enlightenment being one with the process so so so and I'm with him in this and what I'm saying is that that the the notion the the notion of harmony or being at one with always implies the opposite of conflict okay which means if you're in conflict you're standing against right conflict is right ordinarily in the way we think about it but from a larger but from a larger perspective all we also realized that conflict is part of the creative process and to me that so to me there's this very interesting this is very interesting point when we have to even maybe redefine or expand our understanding of what harmony or being at one with the universe or the laws of nature the way things are or this more even what moral physics are even just in the way we think about it just when human beings think about morality it means the absence of conflict Mulder and so when when we realize that conflict is in the most positive sense part of the creative process itself it it I think it requires us to begin to expand our our understanding or interpret of what even harmony means because it becomes it's simple on one from one point of view it's simple but another it becomes very complex and very subtle and in relationship to the doctor cells is notion moral physic this is what I find very compelling because because there's one dimension of it which is saying that the natural laws that exist and if you awaken to them if you realize that they exist on every level you will be you'll stop you'll begin to pay attention to find out what are the natural laws so I can find what the way is you know capital letters what the way is the path the truth and live in accordance with them but but I'm just saying there's a creative physic as within doctor salsa but there's more than that he said it's a life of success of victory you know complete so a life of this complete victory or success that doctor cells is talking about implies a kind of dynamic a dynamic engagement with the process a dynamic creative engagement with the process that means something more than being in harmony with or at one with there's there's a this there's a pushing or this there's another element to it then I'm then I'm kind of interested in doing the negati said hmm look at Fanta again it's a concept adela totally de what's missing is the concept of totality por que siempre da roca Mo's confrim bentos de la vela because we always work with fragments of reality las opener hala de la persona son again yo fragmented people's opinions are small fragments of a greater reality yeah no no boy intended let's see no teen access oh I love Annie a ton so you can't understand all of this unless you have access to total reality luckily that no fragmental reality that has not been fragmented porque si you know Sugano fragment Oh Eve a salt are sto fragmented saltando al de cèlle confirm the dough if you stay on one fragment you're gonna jump to the next fragment and the next one you're going to get very confused yo solo boy a lot Aleta and you can only reach totality whoa sweet the Priscilla member alamou carbon or their toes when you've gone above the pendulum and you're on this world this world where the causes are as I understand it it's it's simple not affect it there's more to it though because because because when you go beyond the world beyond duality when one goes beyond the world beyond duality then the the creative impulse doesn't exist there episode Cthulhu exists Okinawa Messiah del mundo Ali dad it's only for example when God decided to create the world he or she created created time right created space and and began to manifest and express the urge to become but in order for God to feel the creative urge Parliament a degree he has to enter into the process Jerry can Terry proceso para que tu es para meant a desolate they are salty may give me that to feel or experience a desire of creating you just have to look down don't sweetie you got a gun you're up here for yes yes pero passes I said we'll set it off mumbles you end up being a being of two world leaders end of mundo you live in two worlds yes good luck is right it looks here look be right Olivia what right ahead in heaven in your feet on earth yes it does embarrassing we'll turn it in yet so you're in two places simultaneously it's right that's a yes sir look there yeah what keeps up there live the desire of creating no that's true no that I'd completely agree I company so what I'm saying is that's completely true I completely agree but the perspective is God's perspective from beyond the world a particular dose lomasa gathered mundo he's very different from God's perspective when he's looking into the world and would interpret 50 videos come to me adding to and when God doesn't see the world cuando do know me del mundo he doesn't see the universe no Vale universe he doesn't see anything no way nada right and so then there's there there's no creative input it's only when he sees it so no control over where of multiplicity cuenta que decía that there's this that the creative urge kid NASA facility for hit the love for his own creation no more provocation NASA enters into the picture yes so I I even again I even feel in fact from the perspective one can say this of course [Laughter] that even from God's perspective Carol discipline Teresa but that that that there's a that even in that is a different sentiment can disturb you a Dios I used to be to God which is undivided videos case not a DVD though different different perspective ok lipid victorelli tinder so in other words from the perspective the unmanifest Osaka dester perfect you at the zero no see the many many things now the lava yeah dead Cerro there's no there's no world I know a Mundell there's no there's no other there's the there's no there's no there's no impulse to create no ID go limp also degree are tampoco but from the point of view of this of the of the manifest dimension Procera fier de poder East added a dimension are a manifestation is the evolutionary impulse the creative impulse any pursue creative oh yeah we'll do the week the human beings for example experience as the physical level a sexual desire que prevent amo los hermanos au livre physical come with a co sexual at the front and a wind we experience at the level of consciousness ek Perryman Tomoko come only with the conscientious urge to evolve come on to come more conscious they say old evolutionary I said Michael scientists to become a disciple para towards discipleship all of that sur une disabilities are cosa that those are that enter center in the may only in the manifest realm ESO entranceway go solamente in and Drano in the manifest ended the semana fiesta de cosas so ultimately of course there's no difference ultimately a CGA elfin a little avoided no differential ultimately but if we step down one you know billionth of a millimeter do Meadows yeah then this because if we don't step down from the absolute position with this week we can't have it there's nothing to talk about so no bahama deposition absolutely look at a monocular right even even though they even the passionate creative life becomes meaningless only when we step down just one millimeter a passion alley creativos that's insane Twi that's the brother we're really living it that's the SNK demos that's the world of the liberated creative soul si yo en este arrests effect on no con queer dog until in this aspect I don't agree with you okay por que pienso que el absoluto como su pelo de la Ponte de todo because I think that absolute as is implied within the meaning of the word contains everything l absolute Oh están todo y todo esta and Lobb Salutin absolute is in everything and everything is within the absolute but a silly silly silly Occidental but that's why it is said that God is everywhere a loss hips your stallion and similar oh ho the ORU's the egyptians had the symbol of the eye of horus another god monkey the only way at all it's a fabulous oho do you remember that the eyes of God are everywhere that wonky condo we are here with God right now don't know this it tomandamanda them at the same time we're in the material world Tomica la luce it and I'm gonna do we're with light and we're also with darkness that was ill omen if at all you know what if it though we are with that which has manifested and that which has not manifested right Jota mente esto el agua con todo científicos llama grande scientifico bundo book and you dear Lexi tell saloon Adelphia woman this is exactly what the scientists of the world are looking for they're looking to to be able to prove the existence of a unique energy quesadilla la raza de la Vida which would be the basis of life that's a better service undefined means I'm some kind of fundamental fundamental unique energy it does tell you know I've been such a loss Takeo so they thought about the tachyons for example catechist si vous da no LOC ah ba ba la Lu they move with a faster than the speed of light arrow UVs okay effect Amenti exist a solo de energía yawns okay say son de vivir en muchos otros yes I step aside and let the real a super quadrant but I think there's only one unique energy that subdivides itself throughout the whole universe and this is also expressed in the theory of the superstring in a better ended concept or so along a fleegle and also within the concept of the holographic universe yeah un pequeño four Mentos estatal that you have in a small fragment you have oh but I can't blow una foto they stayed on I don't know for Africa for example holographic photographic yeah what told an official yeah how's your whole building sort of atomic already here okay aceto is a little easy so we can cut a little piece off it and we have like the whole building you know in my first spiritual experience it'd be very very pleased deputy director I told you about movie went for a walk today que habla Mikado to remember that that in that experience I I believed I would became aware of three of three things all at the same time quarry Cyprian see me di cuenta de cosas cemetery meant a one was that the thought that that the whole universe was one conscious being único sera que el touni verso es una in tidak akan siente was self-aware with one being that was aware of itself una de ikita Otto consciente just sorry kick sister right his nature was inconceivable impersonal absolute love ek soon Alyssa is una more absolutely personal the second was that there's no such thing as death ah Segundo go say que no existe la muerte como tal and third was the every point in space Iridessa la cosa que cada punto el espacio no matter where it is important on that day is exactly the same as any other point it's a sect Amenti well kikyo triple day that no matter where one look would go get imported Odawara one would always be in exactly the same place separate anyone exactamente me hulu garden I agree with friend yes illa wet lah-lah communication in taunton exit enter low electronic and this is proven with the instantaneous communication that exists between electrons within our local yeah the second electron second unique upon otro hey Emilio Tristana castle in Tampa we've been proven that this isn't Aeneas communication between my electron dinosaur even if it's a thousand miles away it's so comfy mellow lo que tu vida es la prensa meeting of the week and that confirms the mystic experience that you had and that you saw at that time but it's like it's it's like the the part of the of in the human experience and I know but it's your man I come on a part of the game I mean our experience of that which never that of that which is always in the same place of course as our consciousness the PSA the man with the party that are concealed sega's impotent we were lugar it's for example I say well if I said I got on a plane today and I went from Santiago to New York proposal came if we understand Tijuana York from the perspective of pure consciousness I didn't travel anywhere my body did de puntos de la conciencia no yeah hey swallow me the viho were poor and my personality had many experiences in time me personally do Mucha princess but from the perspective of consciousness beyond time there wasn't any movement poetic on Syria nah Massa dad a tiempo novo muy bien toe alguno love you hey Kurata yeah Seto's nto Tampa versatile team because in a certain sense time doesn't exist either for well from that from ninety part of us that there's a part microphone dinosaur drop me a circle that's right but it bit in this in this in this question I've ended my own experience what I've noticed is that there's a part of me mi propia pre-answer meadow cuenta que una parte mi mismo that's always free KCM patella Bray and at peace you see a pretend bus and then from that from that part of it doesn't matter whether the unit where the universe exists or doesn't yes there's a pond to eternal battle yes the same thing exists everywhere so Meg well one part the other part no the party feels desperate and urgent so Sita Sephiroth in un sentido hence eeeh about evolution Sorrell evolution feels that feels that in the sense of debt or urgency and desperation is is constant and unbroken Coe sentiment ACN take mother separado you gente para cozy revolution esta muy an elective soon a very good description we ran a very real description good wood fantastic [Music]