Arizona 2012-02_Se tenir au point zéro

in relationship to the conversation I had this morning you have to we want to be mindful I kept on referring about the austerity and the kind of renunciation of not already of not knowing so not being able to be anybody that's going anywhere particular right it's kind of an excruciating degree of renunciation and that's kind of death of the death of of the false self so that's really but you will be amazed once once once we learn how to uh to disengage from being the individual who's going somewhere all kinds of amazing things can and do happen but you'll find out in the end that it doesn't really matter that the the deepest level of this dimension of what we're doing there is nothing happen happening so we can get carried away in the display and then the journey which is it can be it can in can in in itself be very compelling and fascinating and interesting but that's not the ultimate destination the ultimate destination is to abide in in that dimension of reality in that deepest dimension of the self where nothing ever happened then that's the that's the that's the locus of freedom so that's related to the second half of the question okay is abiding in that Dimension is the ground of being is that correct say that again when you are abiding in that Dimension you just exp you just described that's being at the ground of being is that uh inter theoretically yeah the problem with this phrase ground of being is it's it's very uh something sounding yes so I I I don't really like it anymore okay because I I've noticed that when people hear it they grasp on to that particular phrase like it's some like it's some place you know like it's a it's a particular it's a beach in Thailand or something yeah State a state is it a state well it's experienced as a state yeah we experience it as a state but it is but it is a it is a it is a it is a it is a place yes it is it is literally the deepest dimension of of everything yes so when we as you were saying earlier today um you can't really know we don't want to be navigating where we're at using our mind to navigate so my question is then can you know if you're at the ground of being if you're in in that state uh do you know for example uh when you're in that state or does anyone know no I keep the way I keep myself out of trouble is I I just practice what I teach so I stay out of trouble we don't have to make any claims because I I'm just I just put into practice the no relationship okay so the minute I'm there then I'm not there anymore that's true for all of us okay and it keeps me out of trouble okay so then you understand why that might be the case yes I I do actually okay very good so so we have to so you notice I I'll basically I'll going back going back and forth between uh between between saying that there's a specific place and a location and then I say no relationship and I keep bouncing I and I'll I'll whatever whatever someone I I'll I'll I'm just bouncing back and forth between those but trying to be free from both so this Freedom itself yeah is is is something that's very intangible and so the mind can only relate to something it can't relate to nothing right and so you have to we have to be able to stay very light on our feet here otherwise we get trapped in this or that and so the issue can we use a lot of this metaphysical language like ground the being or you know today I was speaking about the obsolute subject or all the different ways that we speak about this can we use these metaphysical ex uh metaphysical explanations and remain and yet remain free of them at the same time that's the big challenge so that's what I try and do