Andrew Cohen & Sri Sri Ravishankar part 1

I want to ask you an interesting question. It's something I've been thinking about a lot. And this is the relationship between peace and creativity. Uhhuh. Because on one hand, if we look at what the experience of peace or the meaning of peace, deep profound peace, um signifies or implies, it it implies a kind of an experience of of tranquility, of stillness and almost a reluctance to even engage in the creative process. And at the same time it seems that uh one of the profound attributes of the experience of profound peace of or which which is which is a spiritual experience seems to be uh the birth of a willingness or more than a willingness but a compulsion to engage in the creative process with more vigor with more energy with more enthusiasm with more inspiration than individuals who have never experienced that depth of peace or spiritual peace. Absolutely. But it because it seems like a paradox or a contradiction but it's not. Peace is always related to disturbance though it'sical. That's right. So if you are disturbed you want to be peaceful. Right. But when you are peaceful you become energetic and when there is energy there is enthusiasm there is creativity. Dance all these springs from that state. So I would say like peace is that zero state from minus to zero right but you can't be stuck in the zero state it's a very rather it could be termed as a very dull state so are you saying are you saying too much meditation makes one dull [Music] too much of anything is no good nothing too much is good because you know This is something I I like I don't think a lot of people know. Like for example, I've I met two of your disciples and I could tell uh that that in your in that in your service, I could see that they're very busy, but but the busyiness of real spiritual service uh is self-liberating. It's it's self liberating because it liberates the individual from their own ego and it also serves the world of the creative process at the same time. And it's paradoxical because it because usually the individual finds that busyiness through the initial experience of peace. So for example, I know when people would meet you for example and then go through your programs, they probably experience a kind of peace, a sense of fullness and completeness that they never knew before. But if they follow it through till the end, they don't know that it's going to be leading them to a kind of busyness that they probably never would have wanted to say yes to if they knew where it was head, if they knew what was coming. uh you know there is one type of busyiness out of feverishness. Yeah. There is another type of busyiness that which comes out of compassion when the tsunami happened. Yes. I never told anybody to do anything. I mean though we were concerned about tsunami. Yeah. We want to do something about it. But then people even before I even said to anybody everyone rushed and within two hours of tsunami happened 2,000 people were fed and they were shel the shelters were given to them. This type of dynamism I feel comes out of a sense of love and compassion. But um one thing that we need to take care is not get lost in the service activity but come back to the self with the So wouldn't wouldn't you say that the that the experience of the of ineffable peace and groundedness is the source of the kind of activity we're speaking about. Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. You simply have to remember see the nature wind blows. The wind doesn't get tired. Fire blows. It doesn't get tired. The water flows, rivers are flowing from millions of years. They don't get tired you know because they are just in their own nature. Sun is shining every day. Sun doesn't get tired and says I'm want to hide you know it just shining somewhere else. So same thing if we are just like stones are there trees are there like we are also part of this creation and we are just being in our nature nothing throws us off of balance that's that's my analysis and it's not a big deal everyone has that simplicity childlike innocence in each one everybody's is so complete so full it just all this conditioning which has covered it. Society saying something, tradition saying something, uh people around them all the time pointing out fingers, hey, what you're doing is no good. Hey, you're not right. This type of conditioning that is what is really covering the true nature of spirit that everybody has. What do you say? I agree. But what I but what I uh but what I like about what you're saying is that as as as the conditioning falls away, then this kind of pure response that that that at least feels like it has an infinite source of of energy or infinite source of potential emerges. Absolutely. Absolutely. It's it's so natural. It's it's so well it's a natural state but also the natural response. And often people want to know what the right thing to do is. And the right thing to do will most often spontaneously emerge to the degree to one has transcended this or let go of this kind of letting go. Letting effortless letting go. So do you uh do you think that that that that energy that's emerging is the same is the same energy that that sparked the creative process coming alive through the human being who's been freed from this kind of this false sense of self. You know uh there are two type of thinking. One is the linear thinking. everything start there. [Music] When people ask me when did the creation begin? I usually tell him show me where the tennis ball is begins. Where does a tennis ball begin? You know, every point is creation, every point is the end, beginning and end. You're talking about the eternal moment in a ball. In the same way the creation here we think is spherical means there is creation acting happening everywhere destruction happening every moment everywhere. Mhm. So it's a continuous process. I feel that this the whole thing exist like complete existence. You mean you mean is sim is simultaneously self-revealing and disappearing and self-revealing disappearing constantly without any beginning without any end. Get it. Get it. Get it. Get it. Okay. Okay. So then so in that process what I'm referring to is is is that force or that compulsion that is emerging constantly um if I have to quote the philosophy here in India is God has five actions the godliness in you five thing one is creation maintenance destruction hiding Yeah. And perhaps you might have heard about it. And then uh blessing the grace or blessing. These are the five acts of that god consciousness godliness and the more we the shell falls off these five things keeps emerging spontaneously emerging spontaneously emerges and that's so people ask how how come healings happen to so many people this how come what healings you know healings healings healings yeah yeah and people come with sicknesses they get healed and what how this happen simple factor is that the spirit is revealing it's getting out of that shell which is discovered it a natural as a natural phenomenon the healing happens and it's because the self is realizing it its own inherent fullness correct where there's a natural integrity to the self that just spontaneously self-revealing then because it's not as you were saying hidden correct correct and I suppose if that's powerfully realized in a realized being then then that also can be transmitted. The power of that that that fullness can be impacted can be transmitted and then other people can catch fire with it. 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