Arizona 2012-07_Comprendre un état sans ego

I'm trying to do is to help people think about EG Transcendence in a different way because I think if we start thinking about this whole idea of perfect anything uh I start to not be sure what we're talking about because this isn't to me the whole notion of perfect Enlightenment as a concept is an outdated model because remember number one we're evolutionary Enlightenment is we're teaching Enlightenment with the context of an evolutionary worldview So within an evolutionary worldview everything is is is a state of becoming except the ground of being which never changes so there nothing ever changes except from that we're all in process so so the idea of perfection in an evolving world doesn't make any sense because that which is perfect can't can't get better can't improve um and also I don't so that's one thing so it's just philosophically inconsistent with an evolutionary worldview it's also just inconsistent I think I think with the reality of human nature because um you know if you're familiar with integral philosophy we're you know there's the this is the whole idea of levels and lines we all have different levels and lines of development in our s and so uh I don't think I don't I really doubt there's ever been such an individual with all levels and lines all all lined up perfectly so I think even some of the most extraordinarily Eagle as people probably have kind all kinds of weird quirks that uh would be would be an a manifestation of the fact that certain lines were very undeveloped or maybe even not developed at all in certain ways which wouldn't necessarily mean anything all that important necessarily about who they were fundamentally it would just be from a purely technical point of view an expression of what we would call imperfection and I and I think that uh uh human beings in general are just NE I don't I don't think we ever get we ever become perfect you know there's there's always going to be either areas that need that need development or could you know or that need work and the what's important what's important to me though is that in the most important areas we we are we are either are highly developed or we're working on it because certain areas are more important than others some things don't really matter that much but other areas they're act it's actually vital that we actually develop and that's what I try and put people's attention on but I think the idea of perfection as relates to to to human beings is an outdated metaphysical concept that comes from a traditional worldview comes from a Mythic worldview which I just don't think is is true I don't think it ever was true and um so I think that's important I think also part of helping us to mature our metaphysics and our understanding of Enlightenment is is is uh would be losing some of these outdated uh metaphysical um beliefs that never really were true and now and now we have the maturity and the sophistication and the deeper understanding and appreciation of human development that that enables us to kind of uh leave them behind and and at the same time be more interested in higher spiritual and evolutionary development than ever now the problem is and this is one of the problems that I'm fighting is that because a lot of sophisticated people in the 70s ' 80s and 90s realized that socalled fully enlightened quote unquote perfect beings weren't fully enlightened and they weren't perfect meant then they went all then they went all the way to the other extremes they threw the baby out with the bath water they started to question the whole notion of Enlightenment or higher Spiritual Development alt together and that has created all kinds of problems because there are these deeper dimensions of the self and of reality itself that we've been exploring that are are of a different order of significance of importance um and some of you have been talking about there's an atmosphere in here that's that's sacred and when you whenever human being it becomes awakens to or becomes aware of these deeper Realms of being self and existence that are sacred we realize this is a different order of existence is literally a different order which commands humility awe and respect